News DetailThree large suction vortices in the Manitoba tornado!
Posted At: June 26, 2007 @ 3:51 AM
Posted By: Reed Timmer
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Thats the one my friend Judith crossed path with but missed it By God. She was on a Greyhound bus that crossed the path of this tornado but missed it by a few hours. She heared about it the next day in the news and was shocking. Heard it went to biggest, A R5 in none known in Canadian History Sept 18 2007 Thank you
Touch down Holder! Touch down Timmer! Fantastic video and photos guys. You new a trip to Canada was worth it.
Triplets of Manitoba
Dam Threatens To Burst Its Banks In Rotherham UK.
You two are masters with film. Now please stop the RAIN in Texas and Oklahoma !!!
Unbelievable how people from Kansas knew we would be having a tornado before we did - they had 23 hours to get here before it hit.....something's wrong with our weather people.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/livenewsevents
livestream dam burst and flooding in UK
yes things have been a bit crazy over here in the UK the last couple of days. It has felt like it has rained continuoulsy for about 2 weeks and the ground is completely saturated. There was a low pressure system that moved south/east over the UK on sunday and monday. It was very slow moving and i think the heavest rain was in FYLINGDALES (Yorkshire) : 103.7mm/over 4 inches that fell in very north of North Yorkshire in 24 hours, this falling on the already saturated land. I'm in Leeds in North Yorkshire and my city had a hell of lot of rain yesterday (~70 mm) but we seemed to have escaped the worst flooding. Rotherham and Shelfiled which is an hour south of Leeds that have been badley hit and that is where this Dam is.
It seriously has been crazy wish I wasn't stuck in London! I am sick to death of people moaning because of a bit of drizzle and a couple of heavy showers (thats Londoners for you). I can just imagine the bedlam if it had happened down here.
Nice pics and video Reed! Maybe have to try a bit of Canadian chasing next year myself, but i think I need to earn my spurs on the plains next May first.
People who don't know will think this was photoshopped. ... Um, NICE CATCH!!! =-D
wow... great stills.. now thats a screen saver!!
How does that happen with the 3 vortices's, never saw that before. But I'm new to this and want to learn.
Mark,
Here are a couple snippets that explain them a little.
"Small secondary vortices are also called suction vortices when they are most evident in the corner region, the area where the wind entering the base of the tornado abruptly “turns the corner” from primarily horizontal to vertical flow. A tornado with one or more suction vortices is distinguished from a multiple-vortex tornado in that a suction vortex is at most only several hundreds of metres high, while multiple vortices extend all the way up into the cloud base of the parent thunderstorm. The fastest known surface winds occur around the tips of secondary vortices." (from Encyclopedia Britannica)
"Suction vortices can add over 100 mph to the ground-relative wind in a tornado circulation. As a result, they are responsible for most (if not all) cases where narrow arcs of extreme destruction lie right next to weak damage within tornado paths. Subvortices usually occur in groups of 2 to 5 at once ... and usually last less than a minute each." (from NOAA)
Google on [suction vortices] and you can learn more about them.
Those stills are perhaps the most interesting shots of a tornado I've seen in a long time.
Those photos are destined to become landmark shots in any text that discuss suction vortices.
Superb.
Reed, what kind of trees were those in the Manitoba wedge video... the ones that were bent over nearly horizontal in the wind? Your bio says you used to be a tree expert so thought you may know (although it's understandable why you ultimately chose tornado chasing because it is a little more exciting than tree chasing).
I imagine when you stop filming, you immediately hop back in the car to chase the storm some more, but another thing that would be cool if you ever have the time is to go to where the tornado just passed, and include a little close-up film of the ravaged trees... take a shot of the field or road that the tornado just scoured... look for any debris or damage, etc. What was in the barn and where did all the junk go.
Just a wish list that may not fit your plans but no harm in askin'.
Hey Joe...I can't tell from the video...but I'm guessing they are Cottonwoods. Very common on the plains.
Thanks for the explanation of the suction vortices!!
We've got a long drive back ahead of us today.
The morphology between single vortex and multiple vortex is due to instability of the vortex flow...change in surface roughness (no trees to trees etc)...changes in fluid density, viscosity, etc...but most likely just because of the instability.
A scientist/professor at OU is doing extensive research on this phenomenon. He used the May 4 video as part of the observational aspect of his journal article.
Thanks Joe, I will google it. you can never learn enough right?
One of my cousins sent me the link from a news station with reeds video, lol I told him "I've already seen it like hours after it happened", and it's not as much fun if you can't hear the tires spinning as they try to get pass the twister, and the constant "oh shit we've got to move" lol
You have got to be kidding me.
Mark, the hilarious thing about the tire screech was that it was just a Hyundai... Starsky & Hutch action in a Hyundai.
Here is another piece about suction vortices from off the internet that I thought was interesting.
"A few years ago, I was on a bike ride with my daughter, Annie. As we rode past a smooth, freshly-plowed field, we saw a large dust devil form. It was about 40 feet in diameter, and as it rotated we saw four smaller vortices spinning within the main vortex. Imagine a merry-go-round rotating slowly, with four ballet dancers pirouetting rapidly on it. Vortices within a vortex! The smaller vortices must have been spinning about three times as fast as the main vortex. This occurred all the way across the field, until the dust devil hit a grove of trees at the end and then died. I've seen similar occurrences since then, but never as distinctly or from as close. Make it a point to notice if you're near a big dust devil - it's an unforgettable sight.
Tornado researchers have found similar vortex structure in big tornadoes. Tornado pioneer Ted Fujita (for whom the F-scale of tornado intensity is named) noticed this decades ago. Time-lapse movies revealed smaller vortices within the main tornado rotation, and Fujita called these "suction spots." He also suggested that most of the damage from a tornado occurs beneath these suction spots (now usually called suction vortices). In one remarkable case, there were three buildings side by side, all within the path of a big Midwest tornado. One was a new, strong brick church. Next door was a wood frame house, and next to that a ramshackle old shed. After the tornado passed over, the church was completely leveled, the house moderately damaged, and the shed apparently untouched. When Fujita saw this picture and visited the site, he concluded that a suction vortex has passed directly over the church. The shed, though in the middle of the tornado path, was spared because it was just outside the path of the small vortex. Suction vortex winds have been estimated at well over 300 mph."
Since this Canadian tornado has been in the news so much, I've got a question about canadian tornado warnings. The way I understand it, Canadian provinces don't have counties the way we have down here in the states. So when a tornado warning is issued, what kind of geographical area are the warnings issued for? Do they just say "warning for town-name and surrounding area"?
Jim,
To answer your question - YES we do have counties. For example, I am located in Chatham-Kent county in Southwestern Ontario.
Environment Canada has a knack for issuing a warning for a geographic area of a province then specifying.
Also, because most people dont really watch the Canadian channels, we never catch the warnings.
An Answer And A Question:
To Jim:
Of course we have counties!! Just because they don't show up on US weather maps of Canada doesn't mean they aren't there!
In Alberta, we have counties, municipal districts, special areas, improvement districts - they are all basically counties.
For weather purposes, warnings are issued based on these regions, and quite often based on a conglomerate of serveral neighboring counties.
Now the question:
TO REED:
Your research may very well lead to the day that tornadoes can be artificially controlled and prevented. On the age after tornadoes, just think about it - no more thrills of chasing, but no more danger to everyone else either. You may be working yourself out of a job.
And, yes, I think it is possible. Most everything we have nowadays was once thought ridiculous when posed as a possibility in the distant future.
Jim,
We have Municipalities up here, which are essentially the same thing as a county, but the weather people usually just say the town name and surrounding area....
Another comment for Reed and crew:
My sincere thanks for your work. You had the foresight and took the time for a 23-hour drive just for this event. You have caught some of the best tornado footage in Canada ever since the 1987 Edmonton tornado. This monster may very well have gone mostly unnoticed and unconfirmed without you, as your photos and video are the only proof I have seen of the Saturday tornado.
I only hope that Environment Canada will now look at hiring you guys as consultants. I have never seen EC have as much foresight and forecast accuracy as you guys obviously have.
Again, thanks. You are the world's best stormchasers in my opinion. Now I think everybody here should get together and mass e-mail the CBC about their insulting you as "amateurs" when you are educated and trained professionals.
Thanks Matthew, Bill, and Michelle. I was basing my understanding of provincial counties from my Rand McNally road atlas. For example, when I turn to the Ontario, I see what appears to be counties. I also see them in the maritime provinces. But neither Quebec nor anything west of Ontario shows them. So I thought maybe each province was unique and handled them it's own way.
wow! thats amazing plenty more were that came from.eh?
Heads up to other posters,
If you ever get the error message "Please enter only text in the comments area. Tags are not allowed" when you try to make a comment, check your text for a word that contains the six letters s-c-r-i-p-t all in a row, like des-c-r-i-p-tion, manus-c-r-i-p-t, or subs-c-r-i-p-tion. It turns out the website rejects a post that contains that sequence of letters.
Also, it rejects any post that contains two hyphens (--) if they are immediately followed by a space character.
Found out the hard way myself... had both in the same post! Just passing it along, FYI.
Just another example of how many tornadoes in Canada go unconfirmed or unnoticed. Watch Duluth, MN radar from today (6/26) loop it from 1pm to 2:45 pm and check out the two velocity couplets north of Thunder Bay in the middle of absolutely nowhere.
I am not a weather expert but those look significant. Maybe someone can correct me but does that not look like two tornadoes?
Andrew
Where can we find that loop Andrew?
The worst thing is, I pay taxes that fund EC, and they wont even let me use their radar like the US does, Shame.
I'm sure our Weather TV station picked it up Andrew (The Weathernetwork). but I would still like to see it for my self. I can't really complain, KBUF shows me more then enough around my house, but still..............We have state of the art Doppler up here, I'm sure of it.
You can get the loop off of RAP Real Time Weather.
http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/radar/
I watched it live on the NOAA weather page but on the RAP site it archives data so you can watch any time frame. It is in UTC time.
The reflectivity loops also showed some nice, brief hooks.
Andrew
Which Tornado is this in the picture? There were some last week in Ellie, and there were some again on Saturday.
I am curious because I was driving down the road heading right for the storm when I saw storm chaser parked in the field by Lauder, MB (was this you Reed?). After seeing them, I turned around and headed back to Dann. I was only inside for about 5 minutes when we saw a tornado out my sisters window.
Forgot to add that I am new at this, may not know what I am seeing so someone in the know jump on here and correct me if I'm wrong about what I was seeing. But it looked like the real deal to me...
Thanks
Andrew
I have always been annoyed that EC makes us pay for so many basic weather-related products, when YES as an arm of the federal government, us regular folks have ALREADY paid for these services, yet we have to pay again to access them.
They have the same technology as the US, but they won't let us "common folk" use it.
Tornado wind speeds over 700mph!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been told by a graduate student at the University of Oklahoma (who is currently working with tornado phenomena), that new research suggests that suction vortices can actually cause a thermodynamic breakdown and allow the wind speed to break the speed of sound (769 mph at mslp). This is now being modeled with computers and has also been proven to be physically possible. There just is no way to actually record such and amazing phenomena.
Angie, that wedge was filmed near Pipestone, Manitoba I believe, near the intersection of Hwys 2 & 83.
Thanks Joe! I drove past the damage on Sunday near Pipestone. The Hydro company was working like mad men to get peoples Hydro up and going again.
Angie, aren't Lauder and Dand pretty close to Pipestone? Maybe the tornado you saw was the same one as in the video.
this is awesome reed...im new to this,i cant find your video on this one..im still looking tho.. awesome work!!
That's just fantastic Reed. Wish I could have seen it myself. Well done fellas.
They are about 25 minutes apart so ya could very well be the same one!!
tornadoes in Manitoba gone crazy...have seen more this year than ever in my life...am up every storm worrying ...
@Joe Surfer - Sorry about that, I will try to do a little work to fix that. Basically those words are blocked for a specific reason. Like I said, I will see what we can do about it, but there might no be much that can be changed.
Enjoy!
Jason, not a problem at all. It just gave me a good laugh at myself because I had both disallowed phrases in the same post. Thought I got my arse booted for a second. Keep up the great work!
All: I remember seeing a film here in the UK where three suction vorticies touch down which then form the tornado up to an wedge. It was in black n white so it was quite old but really good flick.
TONY: try looking at youtube. reed always puts his videos on there...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manitoba+tornado&search=Search
try this link and you'll find the manitoba wedge at the top.
That's incredible...amazing video. I've been out of town for a week so out of the tornado loop. What a surprise to come home to this video!
Tornado Warning Johnson County, TX!!!
That's two counties from me
TORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX 557 PM CDT TUE JUN 26 2007
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN FORT WORTH HAS ISSUED A
* TORNADO WARNING FOR... SOUTHERN JOHNSON COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...
* UNTIL 645 PM CDT
* AT 557 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A DEVELOPING TORNADO NEAR RIO VISTA...OR ABOUT 6 MILES SOUTH OF CLEBURNE... MOVING EAST AT 15 MPH.
* THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR... RIO VISTA BY 610 PM CDT RURAL SOUTHEASTERN JOHNSON COUNTY AT 630 PM CDT
EVACUATE MOBILE HOMES FOR A STORM SHELTER OR PERMANENT BUILDING. IF NO SHELTER IS AVAILABLE...LIE FLAT IN THE NEAREST DITCH AND COVER YOUR HEAD.
LAT...LON 3229 9751 3219 9748 3226 9719 3237 9726
Cheryl, you wrote, "Unbelievable how people from Kansas knew we would be having a tornado before we did - they had 23 hours to get here before it hit.....something's wrong with our weather people."
Actually it was as early as Wednesday when the Okies declared that Saskatchewan/Manitoba would have a great chance of tornadoes... imagine that, 2 days before the Elie twister, and 3 days before the Pipestone wedge. Not too shabby.
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Posted By Reed | June 20, 2007 @ 8:09 PM #
Dave Holder and I will be heading up to Saskatchewan for a chase on Saturday. The models look very interesting for tornadoes in southern Sask. on Saturday, with 4000+ cape, and 40+ knots at all levels with great directional turning. We'll also be chasing the next day (Sunday) in eastern Saskatchewan or Manitoba. Stay tuned for updates!
Joe Surfer - your re-post from Reed reminds me that I wanted to ask if anybody saw that, at the time this monster was doing its thing, the CAPE there was at like 6000. It might have been more than that, but the colors were a little hard to distinguish from one another since the map is so small. Anyway, I thought that was probably something a few people would like to know about, if they didn't already. :)
Humorous quotes in this article.
"Leave storm p-o-r-n to professionals, urge weather experts"
"This is not about getting the best YouTube video, official warns after Manitoba tornadoes"
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2007/06/26/tornado-viz.html?ref=rss
(Had to put hyphens in the word p-o-r-n to allow it to get past the spam filter... who would have thought p-o-r-n would ever become a storm term too :-)
They only knew where the tornado would be 3 days in advance? The CBC was right, freakin amateurs. . .
Andrew,
Nice catch, I took a look at the radar images you pointed out, and from the looks of it there's certainly a possibility there was a tornado about 50 miles north of Ely, Minnesota, across the Canadian border.
Unfortunately, since the storm was so far from the radar, the radar beam sampled the updraft at about 14,000 ft above ground level due to the tilt of the beam and the curvature of the earth, much too high to make even an educated guess as to whether or not a tornado was actually present at ground level or not. It's a distinct possibility based on the data, but I'm afraid I can't tell you anything more than that.
---Posted By Andrew | June 26, 2007 @ 2:50 PM #
Just another example of how many tornadoes in Canada go unconfirmed or unnoticed. Watch Duluth, MN radar from today (6/26) loop it from 1pm to 2:45 pm and check out the two velocity couplets north of Thunder Bay in the middle of absolutely nowhere.
I am not a weather expert but those look significant. Maybe someone can correct me but does that not look like two tornadoes?
Andrew
I can tell you right now what the big problem is with EC...
They simply don't have enough people to do all the work that is required! The office in Winnipeg especially isn't well equipped to do follow up on big events like this, and they've actually had a few good ones in the past where they still don't know what really happened out there (July 24th, 2000, for example...) They have to cover all of Saskatchewan and Manitoba from a single office...
And regardless of how important this research is, there are still some people (it only takes a few) within the organization who don't see any real value in it. We had one manager last year that complained about the amount of money we had spent on damage investigations, completely ignoring how much incredibly useful data we had gained.
As for the need to improve how warnings are distributed and communicated to the public, well, we again have to deal with politics. The CRTC is still pussy footing around about doing things like putting "crawler" type messages on cable channels; they claim it would interfere with contracts concerning uninterrupted broadcasts of commercials (!), which of course are much more important than weather warnings...
There is also no current system in place to clearly explain just how dangerous some situations are. A day with dime sized hail and a few F0's (or EF-0s...) is definitely less of a problem than what happened last weekend! One person suggested we simply have a multi-tiered warning system; defining the difference between days when the weather would ruin your picnic or days when you'd be in mortal danger anywhere above ground.
Anyhow, enough ranting for one day...
BTW; kick-ass video!
Simon E.
I'm not just saying this because I know Reed very well...but he was talking about heading to Canada a week before last Saturday. He may go up there again very soon.
I guess it's that old dynamic... everything Canada does automatically gets compared to what is done by their bigger, richer neighbor to the south. In the grand scheme of things, EC probably does a decent job considering their budget, the vastness of the territory to be covered, and the (relatively) low occurences of tornados.
With all the action we get in the states, we damn well better have the best notification system on the planet!
Yeah, I'd have to agree that they probably should have put out some kind of statement when the models really started showing things lining up for a major tornadic event. But try talking to forecasters about using model data to pinpoint severe summer weather several days in advance; for every case where you see it coming days in advance, there are several where it just doesn't pan out.
A few years ago, the Ontario office issued a special weather statement three days in advance of what looked like (at the time) was going to be a repeat of the May 31st, 1985 outbreak. The day came and went without anything severe happening, and it looked as if they had cried wolf. There is a sharp balance they have to keep to make sure that people take them seriously. They need to, because we are very much overdue for another urban tornado disaster like Edmonton or Barrie.
And the next one could very well be in Winnipeg...
Simon E.
Reed,
I just wanted to thank you for not getting involved in the media's attempts to blame EC for not warning people soon enough. Your comments were appreciated!
Hey Heidi, I heard reports that the CAPE was 7000+ hence the structure of the storm and the characteristics initiated by the high instability to enhance the triple vortices. I'm just over the moon that Reed and Co got footage of this. I have not stopped watching it! Reminds me of the footage that Futija got from the Xenia tornado from that young boy who filmed the short footage of the multiple vortices and Fujita concluded that tornadoes don't skip or lift but it's these vortices that hit other homes when the main funnel doesn't. We're talking Futija type research Reed!!!!
Mike in Darwin.
Gentleman. Those who remember Gainsville from last monday. Version 2 is currently occuring.
"Hood County officials issued a disaster alert shortly before 10:30 p.m. Tuesday due to severe flooding.
The alert stated that residents were seeking refuge on rooftops as floodwaters engulfed homes.
Someone asked about the Thunder Bay area in Ontario. Here is a story from www.winnipegfreepress.com
A tornado touched down in Ignace, Ont. at about 9 a.m. today damaging about a quarter of the small town and sending one person to hospital. Ignace is about 250 kilometres east of Kenora.
can you explain the 700mph winds at mslp? Your'e talking about mean sea level pressure right?
Mike
There is huge model variability three days out. This event easily could not have happened, and we could have driven up there for a clear-sky bust. However, the trough was very large, and the models had been consistent for several runs moving it across the Canadian Prairies. We thought the chances for at least one severe weather event somewhere between Alberta and Manitoba during Friday to Monday were very high.
This evening's GFS model run is hinting at a strong upper shortwave moving across southern Canada this weekend.
We might just move to Canada...the Prairies are amazing.
yeah great job on the tornados i have yet to see one but it has been the year for them know a guy that took pics of one touching down in a fiels in southeast saskatchewan was just a baby compared to that one at pipestone i saw the clouds and we drove through the storm about 45 mins west of where it hit i was amazed and if i wasnt going to a wedding i probably would have followed it myself great call we could use you at enviroment canada they dont know whats going on
one more quick question what is with that horizontal vortice coming out of the right hand side of the right one but it looks like it dies out or is that just my mind playing games on me i swear i have the worst luck at spotting funnel clouds im amazed i can see pics because i always miss the real deal
Hey Don G.
Thanks for pointing out the radar distance for me, and explaining that so well. I guess I never took that into account- how far the storm might be from the Duluth radar.
Andrew
So sorry for all the posts. just thought I would clear something up.
In my post about the radar loop I said NORTH of Thunder Bay, I need to get my geography straight, it was WEST of Thunder Bay. Sorry about that.
Andrew
Andrew...the more posts the better!
Alidamonk: There is MAJOR vorticity..horizontal and vertical with this tornado and all around it. I saw a similar horizontal vortex on the Manchester, SD wedge of June 24, 2003...and this vortex was even more laminar.
I'm guessing it may have something to do with shear vorticity along the edge of an intense updraft associated with the large tornado...but that's just an untested hypothesis.
Don G., Reed, anyone. I have another question, hope you'll all bear with me.
How does one figure the height of the radar beam at any given point from the radar site? Is there an equation or something I can use to figure that one out? Don G. you mentioned the height was 14,000 feet at about 50 miles. Does that mean it would be 7,000 at 25 miles, 3500 at 12 miles, etc?
Having so much fun with this site and all the info here. Thanks Reed for everything you guys do, you certainly got me interested in weather. I'm thinking my B-day present this year might have to be GRlevel3.
Andrew
Wow...I never knew all this stuff about suction vortices...that's amazing! So, this explains why there will be, at times, vicious but narrow paths of destruction and then perfectly unscathed buildings and trees close by? Would that also explain why some mobile homes simply explode and others next door are untouched (I was told that the opening-of-the-windows bit to equalize pressure within the mobile home doesn't actually prevent it from going kablammy)?
Woo, here comes yet another thunderstorm...we have been having severe storms with penny to quarter size hail and 60+mph winds almost every single day for the past couple of weeks! I got some impressive photos of a massive anvil cloud yesterday afternoon...it was a gorgeous storm!
Andrew Contact me on AIM at foshezzy28 or through myspace at the above link....
I have some information for you on Gr3 and also Gr2AE...
Andrew,
Actually, the storm was about 50 miles north of Ely, MN, which itself is a good 50 miles north of Duluth, where the radar is located, so the storm was over 100 miles north of the radar.
You can determine how high it is yourself by using an equation to do it, knowing the first tilt of the radar is angled at 0.5 degrees, the distance the storm is from the radar, and using a little geometry. I took the easy way out when determining how high the beam is when it went through the storm, and simply looked at the data in GRLevel3 and hovered the mouse over the couplet (the software has an indicator on the bottom right that tells approximately what the elevation of the beam at that distance is).
There are limitations to this, as it's only an estimate and doesn't account for things like terrain (fairly easy) or atmospheric refraction (very tough), but simply having a reasonable approximation is generally sufficient for severe weather forecasting/analysis.
Don, thanks for taking the time to explain it so clearly.
Andrew
Mary: That's exactly why tornado damage can be so sporadic.
Don is an incredible source for any tornado/radar/research questions!
I'm working on the chaselogs page right now...the whole summary of the event should be up later today..I'll put a big post about it shortly.
This weekend could be interesting over the Canadian Prairies...stay tuned!
Looks eerily like the mulitple-vortex wedge that struck my hometown in 1979:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/wxevents/19790410/wichitafalls.php
Top-right picture on the page. Three vortices, and the tornado was the most damaging tornado in history until the OKC monster twenty years after that.
Glad this thing was in an open field.
Mary, closing or opening windows on the lee side or other to equalize pressure is just plain rubbish! Don't you believe it! In reality if you have a hurricane or tornado producing high velocity winds with projectiles how is this going to stop a house from being destroyed! The pressure inside the house happens but it's so quick prior to damage you'd be wasting your time worrying about opening a window - save yourself and get to safety and forget the house.
Mike
Wait, is the instability associated with the vortices terminal?
Marble Falls, Tx got just over 19" of rain in less than 24 hours last night! There is still a 70% chance of rain tonight and Thursday with some chance of rain through Monday! Hopefully they will not get any of it!
Andrew... you are right. There was a tornado in Ignace. It is west of Thunder Bay.
Hey everybody. Sorry I hadn't posted on here in awhile. I hav been so busy. Good good job on the Huge wedge in CA Reed. I have seen it on TWC like 50 times. Hey I just started a chasing site on myspace. Its a little rough i got some of my photos on there I added you as a friend! drop me a line and let me know what you think. I do have the picture of the wall cloud we saw over Pilot Point you wanted to see. Alot of the flooding pictures came out very bad. I have a new camera on the way. I do have a few that came out ok I will post them on there. It's a work in progress. I have a new video camera on the way too. take it easy guys.
Link to RADAR data captured for June 23, 2007 tornadoes:
http://www.umanitoba.ca/environment/envirogeog/weather/pipestone.html
Jason, to correct you, the 19" rainfall was not in 24 hours, it was in six hours. That is amazing!!!! I hope no more lives are lost in that area.
Matt, I knew it was way less than 24 hours but I did not want to post the wrong info. It does sound better as 6 hours! It is actually raining in the same area right now and will continue to rain for a while! It will flood much faster since the ground is over saturated already.
Reed, on my PC I am unable to see the code that has to be entered in order to post! Any suggestions? I am having to get on the site via BlackBerry in order to post. And thanks for all of the work you and your team do! I am on this site everyday.
re: flooding in Texas ... are you guys sure this isn't Marble Falls, INDIA or BANGLADESH?!!?! 8-O
That is totally mind-blowing. Why isn't this a bigger story in the news? I mean, it's not like this kind of thing happens every day ... or month ... or year ... or CENTURY!!!!!!!
How widespread is the flooding? As in, how widespread was that huge amount of rainfall?
So, what's the North American outlook for supercells and possible tornadic action over the next 2-3 days, anyone know? Starting to get withdrawal symptoms here
Dude reed, Seriously come to San Antonio TX. Were having major flooding and it's rained for the past 2 or 3 weeks. I'ts really bad I just got home from Lifetime Fitness and when i got to my car, I was soaked from the very top of my head to the very bottom of my toes.
Well I guess the media has picked up the flooding story a little more. It was the top story on the mid-day news here.
I was going to make somewhat of a joke and say that "Texas/Texans can send a little of their rain to Arkansas, but to take care and not send it all at once," but this is too serious of a situation for a comment like that. Geez! I've seen 5-6" or rain come down in about 4 hrs before, but this is completely ridiculous! :-/
The system that is causing all this rainfall is warm core! That means it's tropical in nature, and is basically a tropical depression over land. It will never intensify unless it moves over the ocean (which is not forecast to happen), but will still drop heavy rainfall in very isolated areas for the next few days. Tropical systems produce huge amounts of rain despite relatively weak radar returns. This is because of warm-rain processes, resulting in a different drop-size distribution than is assumed for the Plains. The rain drops are smaller, but more numerous, resulting in faster rainfall rates.
What I mean to ask is some sources attribute the vortices to instability while others basically say they're a constant that varies in magnitude. Being that they're stronger, where is this energy coming from, is it inversely related to the longevity of the tornado?
last monday my parents house got flooded! It wasn't pretty. It could have been alot worse for them. but alot of other people in area weren't so lucky! One building along one of the creeks in town is Destroyed. it almost looks like a tornado nailed it. But it was 5 feet of moving water! It;s a sad site to see driving in a neigborhood and see people belongings outside ruined by the floods. We have had 2 years of drought! But now we are getting the turnaround. This is typical for texas. But normaly not on this large of scale! Lake texoma may just go over it's spill way!
Hey Guys,
Welcome to manitoba!!! I guess i should say thanks for coming...Awesome pictures and video!! You guys did a great job....And to answer the guys question about the trees...yeah im pretty sure they are cottonwoods...Living here and being 27 ive seen and been through my fair share of storms and a few tornados....my family had one when i was in grade 6 go through our farm yard....which is just about 5 mins away from where the tornado hit in Elie,MB. We also had a few where we had our cabin in northern ontario.....pretty sure you guys should stick around up here...lol...they seem to be coming more often. I would love to join you guys on one of your chases...its always interested me and it gets my adreniline going big time...As for EC i think it will take someone getting killed before they decide to do something more to warn us about them....Keep us in touch if you see anything coming our way ...
Thanks
Amanda
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Dude!!!! Triplets!!
AMAZING! RUFUS!
-Janelle, 14