News Detail3rd Episode of "Storm Chasers" on the Discovery Channel tonight!
Posted At: November 1, 2007 @ 1:00 AM
Posted By: Reed Timmer
Related Categories: Tornadoes
The 3rd Episode of "Storm Chasers", a documentary featuring the Tornado Intercept Vehicle (TIV), will air tonight at 9:00 pm Central on the Discovery Channel, followed by a second documentary about the science of storm chasing. Please post your opinions here! Here is the description of the 3rd Episode:
Storm Chasers
Episode 3
TV-PG
Five weeks into their storm chasing season, IMAX filmmaker Sean Casey and meteorologist Josh Wurman are under the gun to intercept a tornado. Conflict between Josh and Sean reach new heights, and Sean begins to trust his instincts over Josh's science.
Click below for a schedule and description of the shows:
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.14593.25317.16420.1
Storm Chasers
Episode 3
TV-PG
Five weeks into their storm chasing season, IMAX filmmaker Sean Casey and meteorologist Josh Wurman are under the gun to intercept a tornado. Conflict between Josh and Sean reach new heights, and Sean begins to trust his instincts over Josh's science.
Click below for a schedule and description of the shows:
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.14593.25317.16420.1
I just finished Ep.3. (I watched half last night then the rest this AM).
Reed (or Joel, or Dick M, since you were there too) ... or anyone else for that matter), I have a couple of questions:
If the DOW/TIV crew had gone to sw Kansas that day instead of opting to hang in the northern area, do you think, realistically, that there even *was* a tornado anywhere in that area that they could have intercepted safely? This episode kept using the TV.net footage from Ellis Co. as evidence of what they missed, as if that was realistically a storm they could have intercepted.
... So I guess what I'd like to know is 1) did the Ellis Co. tornado even cross a road that the TIV could conceivably have positioned on?, and 2) do you think that the Ellis Co. storm was one they could have safely intercepted? On the latter question, I am thinking that it would have been bad news if they'd have tried it, at least the part that you guys got so close to. I mean, the intensity factor notwithstanding, it was moving so fast that I don't think they would have had much of anything to their shot "inside the storm" anyway. But regardless of that, my guess is that if they HAD been down there, Josh would have called it off because it was too strong. What sayest thou?
Aside from the Ellis Co. storm (and I know this is getting pretty long, but I'm looking for input...), was there anything in sw Kansas that wasn't too strong and/or crossed a road that they could have set up on? Dick might be the better person to ask on this one, since he was there.
One more thing I feel like saying: I think it's a tiny bit unfortunate the way Josh has been portrayed so far. This is a guy who has done as much or more than anybody in the field as far as advancements and pursuing the science surrounding the "nature of the beast", and I am afraid he is going to become known, at least to the average viewer, as some bumbling guy who was too attached to his radar screen to ever put Sean in the right position. It seems like the editing for the show was done specifically to make it look like Josh doesn't know what he is doing half the time, and something really bothers me about that. Anyway, I am shutting up now. :)
Oh good grief, that comment ended up at the top. Hah, maybe this one will too?! :D
Even though I didn't catch any tubes, I had a blast chasing around this last season!! Seeing as I've never actually seen a destructive tornado, I'm not sure just how close I'd be willing to get! That one cloud I seen in the dark scared the crap outta me!! I wish I could have captured it!! I got out of my truck and just stared at it for a minute, then I realized it was coming right at me and the wind picked up so I jumped in the truck and floored it about 100 yards up the road, when I got back out the cloud was diagonal!! maybe a minute after that it was gone and the wind had died off again!! I didn't hear any loud roar or anything!! If it was just some sorta scud( which it probably was) It was the longest, narrowest scud I've ever seen!!
Hey Heidi.
Great comments.
I bet they wouldn't have attempted to drive through the Ellis tornado since it was so strong. It did cross the N-S road about 100-200 yards in front of us just as we were starting to reverse, so in theory, they could have drive into it.
However, since they are so dependent on the data, rather than just looking out the window once their within 300 yards of the circulation, I bet they would have been out of position anyway - and seems to take a long time to maneuver their whole operation. I really wish they were on that storm so we can see what would have happened. At least Josh would have gotten some incredible radar data from both the Ellis Co, storm and more importantly, the Greensburg storm.
I also am not in favor of the way they are portraying Josh. Just because Sean, who is clearly a rather inexperienced chaser and forecaster - from the dialogue in the show - pulled a random town off the map and just happened to be right in the end, the producers are now obsessed with making Josh the scapegoat for their lack of success.
Truth be told: Do the show next season without DOW/WURMAN and see
how that works out..... Then people would see the same bumbled attempts. I think Mr. Casey has an obsession to fullfill and is "acting" the part, the funny part is that for the sake of a "story" the show had them going to the Kyle SD event (June) before Greensburg (May). I think Dr. Wurman DOW will come out looking good in the end. There is an aura of suspense that Discovery channel is working toward for the sake of television. The science behind meteo seems very solid since it is strong in physics/chemistry. And that will be around for a while.
...Noel beginning to lose organization as a tropical cyclone...
A Gale Warning remains in effect for Bermuda.
Interests along the U. S. East Coast from North Carolina northward
should consult statements and warnings issued by their local NWS
forecast office. Interests in the Canadian Maritimes should
consult products issued by the Canadian hurricane center of
Environment Canada.
For storm information specific to your area...including possible
inland watches and warnings...please monitor products issued
by your local weather office.
At 1100 am EDT...1500z...the center of Hurricane Noel was located
near latitude 29.2 north...longitude 73.8 west or about 575 miles...
925 km...west-southwest of Bermuda and about 425 miles...685 km...
south-southeast of Cape Hatteras North Carolina.
Noel is moving toward the northeast near 17 mph...28 km/hr. A turn
back to the north-northeast at a faster forward speed is expected
over the next 24 hours.
Maximum sustained winds are near 80 mph...130 km/hr...with higher
gusts. Noel is a category one hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson
scale. Noel is expected to lose tropical characteristics later
today...but maintain its strength as an extratropical cyclone over
the next two to three days.
Hurricane force winds extend outward up to 70 miles...110 km...from
the center...and tropical storm force winds extend outward up to 345
miles...555 km.
The minimum central pressure estimated from reconnaissance data was
981 mb...28.97 inches.
Noel is expected to produce rainfall amounts of up to one inch
across the Outer Banks of North Carolina and 2 to 4 inches....with
isolated maximum totals to 6 inches across eastern New England.
Repeating the 1100 am EDT position...29.2 N...73.8 W. Movement
toward...northeast near 17 mph. Maximum sustained winds...80 mph.
Minimum central pressure...981 mb.
The next advisory will be issued by the National Hurricane Center at
500 PM EDT.
$$
Forecaster Franklin
''Hey,I've only got one postive thing to say, about Storm Chasers on discovery-THE BEST REALITY SHOW ON TV PERIOD!!! Because,I love all the drama,action,and excitement. On that show.As a future meteorolgist/storm chaser.Seriously, it makes wanna go outthere with those guys already. I love these guys to death!!! Honestly,I Hope that storm chasers will be on FOR A VERY LONGTIME!!!
Those episodes were great...but crazy...yet so entertaining!! I honestly think they're nuts, but the ideas behind it seem so cool - they clearly must have had that as a a childhood dream or something haha - sitting in the middle of a tornado..
I wish our Discovery Channel would air something like this!!!
Hey Reed I didnt know they used your footage on StormChasers. nice one! ^^^ (click name)
Hey Reed, didnt know your footage was in there! nice one
^^^^click
Just watched the 3rd episode of Stoms Chasers. I have family that lives in Keys, OK. How cool that they were right there. I am SERIOUSLY considering moving to the heart of tornado Alley. Now talking my fiancee into it will be another battle. Wish me luck
Hey Cors, keep watching, there is more footage from TV.NET
i don't bthink the TIV would try to intercept the greensburg tornado but DOW could had vaulable information on the storm and stuff and TIV fowwlowing him
Well, just where do I start? first of all, Reed let me apologise for my language up front if I happen to loose it. As well as my grammer as I am in a hurry here at work.
Let me just say that for those of you who know me, you know how I chase, who I chase with and the person I am......I call things as I see them. If it is a spade, lets call it a spade. That being said, I generally try to keep things to myself or at least not "speak" about them openly, however; This is almost sickning.....As I sat there and looked at the TV screen I remebered a "little" incident involving the TIV crew this year near Buffalo OK..... As I came to the road block made by two cars parked across the road I asked if the road was shut down....the reply I got was "no, the TIV is doing a maneuver" and that "you can not go up there". After sitting and waiting almost 10 minutes I blew through the road block only to have rocks thrown at me. Now what the hell kind of "stormchaser"/scientist does that?
In 17 years of chasing I have seen alot, but nothing like that!!!!!! And what a buch of lies, in all the tornadoes/severe weather we shot this year I only saw the TIV and company on two occasions, now we all know the game....production company buys the video from sellers like TornadoVideos.net and others who were actually there and then produces a product to "fool" the the american public into believing that they were there and and shot said video. I must say that I believe it is not the production companys fault....as someone who is in the middle of a production myself, I believe that it is our own responsibilit to get the facts RIGHT about the event. Not to leave the production company holding the bag. Its just a good thing to do. When Randy and I agreed to do "our" documentary with Tiger Aspects/Court TV, we had an understanding with them....it has to be real in every sense of the word, no fake shit!! If it was the Protection tornado we wanted the protection video shown...we damanded it. It was the only way we would do it. As for this "series" that is definitely not the case. I will say it right now...I have no respect for Sean or any of those guys and I may get spanked for this but that includes Josh as well. Again, lets call a spade a spade. The only people that we saw back to back on severe events were Dick M, Darrin and Reed and company, I say that to say this....as you all see the show just keep in mind who really shot it...the above listed people!! And while I am on my soapbox I feel It would be remiss if I did not mention the forcasting ability of the entire crew.....As Randy and I sat on the west side of Greensburg playing frisby 4 hours before the tornado and Dick and company sitting just a few miles away, not to mention Reed getting the first tornado of the outbreak, why would you forcast the northern end of a classic set up like that?
Okay.....again going back to the spade thing.....where was the TIV and DOW the following day? They were right in the hot spot when they went back to Greensburg to view the damage, so why no video?
I will let you all decide!
As for me I know I can speak for all of us Outlawchasers when I say I think the entire show sucked, packed with lies, misconceptions, stupidity, bad forcasting, delusions of granger and the like.
Lanny Dean
Outlawchasers
Comments work again. :)
I hope this makes it to YouTube today. I'm watching Dick M's Greensburg footage right now (posted in the last thread) and I continue to think that the night-time part is the most chilling piece of storm-related stuff I have ever seen.
You know I watched both of those episodes last night.... I know now why Reed and Joel did not do this show, its because they succeed almost everytime they go out, and there would be no drama lol. I noticed they almost used more of TV.NET tornado footage then they did there own. It was also interesting watching their conflict about where do go during the May 4th event.
I keep missing this show, cause I have church and stuff on Wednesday night! Arrgh! Oh well, it's not like they don't show re-runs ;)
I saw Dick M.'s new videos also. It still gives me the shivers.
Another thought: I think that the producers of the show chose Wurman and Casey and their gang because of how long Wurman has been in the profession. He's been doing that with the DOWs forever, and Casey has an awesome tank that people wanna see. That, and by showing the episodes of them "busting out," I think they wanna make people think that storm chasing isn't all exciting all the time. However, if they DID in fact use Reed and Joel, more people might watch cause of the excitement ;)
"All in the name of science." haha.
Yeah the scientific aspect is important, esp. for the discovery and science channel...Wurman has collected some amazing data over the years...I remember seeing the DOWs out during the May 3, 99 tornado and they were in perfect position the entire time.
This show definitely reveals the luck factor bigtime. On May 4, there very easily could have been tornadic supercells at the north target near I-70 in KS. It seems that when things go wrong in storm chasing, esp. for a few chases in a row, it causes irrational decisions and second-guessing that lead to more busts...the same thing happened to us in 2006; we were so desperate after about 15 busts in a row that we started second-guessing every decision we made, and it caused us to miss even more tornadoes that we otherwise would have intercepted.
I believe the last episode shows them intercepting the Nickerson, KS tornadoes.
I went to the website posted, and when I downloaded the player to play the full episode, it wouldn't let me see it anyway. All I could wtach was 4 other shows, one being mythbusters. I was only able to watch the little short clip they had where they just missed intersepting by like 1 minute, due to the one guy not listening to his partner and stayed way to long on a smaller tornado. I would love to see the show though.
You keep talking about what if Reed and Joel would have done the show. Did you guys get an offer or what? Anyway, if anyone knows where to watch the full episodes online please let me know. I have no cable. Thanks
I see what you mean Reed..... in a situation like that, you hope and pray for a lucky break! And I rememer the Nickerson twisters... one of my cousins went out and spotted for the county EMS. That was his first time, and now he's hooked.
I don't know where to get the full shows either... I would bet Youtube has some... I haven't a clue. lol
Cool...I'm wondering if it will display closed-captioned on my DirectTV ? I love watching those storm chasers ! Hopefully one day I can became one of them !
I really want to see if that TIV actually can withstand being INSIDE a tornado. Wurman part in this is a givin, the more data he collets the more we learn about the tornados. I just don't understand how the TIV won't be lifted and thrown by one of those monsters!
You Tube does have all the parts of episodes 1 and 2. They have them broken into 5 parts and six parts respectavly. I was able to see the Nickerson Tornado's also so it will be interesting to watch episode three.
Good Afternoon guy's! It's cold here..7C and wind's are up to 50km/h. Snow chance's, Saturday night-Sunday morning here! I'm excited!!
I can't wait for Reed to come and chase in Canada next summer! Also, I have a question for you all. Should I go bike chasing and have a helmet cam? or should I just hold the camera and risk falling?
Thanks for the info Monte! It's aggravating to miss it every night, so that helps me alot. lol
Kenny: HELMET CAM!!
Alright I'll test Helmet Cam out in a chase in May.
Very nice videos Dick (but dramatic images of destruction in and around Greensburg :-( ), I love nearly uncut stormchasing videos.
@Kenny: You shouldn't do that. That can be very life threatening, especially when unexpected lightning occures. Don't you have the chance to ride with a friend who owns a driving license?
Nah Volker...My friend's are to lazy to get they're license..I know it's really dangerous, that's why I don't chase far from home. I'm pretty experienced though, I started it this summer and I mean it's fun but you're right too it's dangerous.
Awsome program! I downloaded the first 2 episodes from the newsgroups.
@ Volker
I love uncut stormcasing videos as well, I like to see the storm get shape, it's like I feel the excitement to. A very well structered storm with lots of movement and an amazing storm structure is sometimes more exciting then a tornado.
Wonder if they'll ever intercept a tornado..
TS Noel is almost a hurricaneand heading straight for Prince Edward Island. I suprised that EC has not issued Hurricane watches for that area.
TS Noel is still off the SE coase of Florida ... with the L O N G range track putting it off of eastern Canada. A lot could happen between now and then, so I suspect that's why there are no advisories out of Canada at this time
DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0245 PM CDT THU NOV 01 2007
VALID 012000Z - 021200Z
...NO SVR TSTM AREAS FORECAST...
... . AT THE SURFACE...T.S. NOEL -
NOW OVER THE BAHAMAS - WILL CONTINUE MOVING NNEWD ACROSS THE WRN
ATLANTIC.
...ERN FL...
SHOWERS AND OCCASIONAL ISOLATED LIGHTNING STRIKES SHOULD CONTINUE
OVER PARTS OF ERN FL...ON THE WRN FRINGE OF THE CIRCULATION OF T.S.
NOEL. WHILE MORE WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL CONTINUE
E OF THE SERN U.S. COAST OVER THE WRN ATLANTIC...INLAND LIGHTNING
SHOULD REMAIN MINIMAL THROUGH THE END OF THE PERIOD.
The last episode should be fun to watch about the Nickerson storm, considering I think they intercept. It would have been the easiest day of the year: very slow storm motion and the most incredible road network ever. I was half tempted to drive through one of the tornadoes that day, they looked really weak and I had the opportunity but I decided to stop. I almost got hit by a vorticy jumping down the road in front of us towards the end of the day. That chase was the most exciting all year cause I spent what felt like an hour living in the clear slot, even though the tornadoes were all very small it still very intense. Click my name to check out my video from the Nickerson storm.
Did anyone ever see the National Geographic show about the tiv?
I'm sorry if I offend anyone by this, but I think these guys are completely retarded. If they get anywhere near a real tornado, they are quite simply going to die. The tiv is a useless piece of crap. I think someone called it the dumb and dumber van without the ears. Pure and simple, the thing is built unsafe. Drop an armored truck from any altitude over 50 feet and see whats left inside. Maybe they should apply science to the vehicle that they are trying drive into a tornado.
I think TV would be good guides for TIV, except all of the tornadoes would be too strong. The tiv from an older video has been in small tornadoes, there was actual footage from a following chase car that was intense, because they intercepted the tornado too, and almost got blasted by a flying metal oil drum. I think a good full-length 2 hr severe storm movie is called for without too-much drama of what it takes to get a storm.
I don't know about the science of it, but I do know that everyone has to die at some point in life. That is just a fact. If I was to die doing something that I truley loved with a passion, and it was to also help gather information to help create a more advanced warning system for tornadoes, then I would feel pretty good about my death. That is more than alot of people can say these days.
Also alot of people scurry about their useless lives never even knowing what it feels like to REALLY LIVE, BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO PARANOID AND CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT COULD KILL THEM, OR HURT THEM.
I would rather live a FULL & EXCITING LIFE doing what I love doing, and possibly die doing it. Rather than calculating the risks my whole life, and just living some EMPTY pathetic excuse for a life. NOW THAT IS MY HONEST OPINION
Will, would you drive down the highway with nothing but an emergency brake on your car? Not likely.. Stops you, but not quick enough. Too risky.
Driving into a tornado would be a blast if protected from.. Ummm... the tornado. You wouldn't want to be in it hugging a giant camera for protection. Too risky.
My business is building hot rods and race cars and I can tell you that the tiv would not pass any inspection at any race track on earth because its lacking basic impact related safety equipment.
Is this on discovery channel Canada too???
Nevermind my question...makes me sad....these shows are NOT on Discovery Channel Canada, only the American one :(.
Think someone will put it on youtube?? I sure hope so!
Strike, if you're *just* talking about the National Geographic doc. called "Tornado Intercept" I can see why you'd be saying what you're saying. But (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) the TIV that was used this season do to the Discovery series was an upgrade over the first, safety-wise. I am pretty sure that those on-board use 5-point safety harnesses and helmets, 1/2" thick steel covers the "tank" exterior, bullet-proof windows, "claws" that extend down from each side for stability during an intercept ... not to mention the aerodynamic design (intended to force winds to push the TIV into the ground instead of lift it, similarly to the way some probes are constructed). Also, they are in no way intending on driving into a significant tornado - there is a cut-off point, miles-per-hour-wise in regard to what they will and will not try to intercept. Now, I have no clue how Sean is supposed to be supporting himself at the helm of the Imax camera during an intercept ... but I think it's a stretch to say that THIS TIV is lacking basic impact-related safety equipment. (But again, I can see why you would say that if you're talking about the original TIV ...)
Hey guys whats going on?
Ah i am so annoyed they dont show this here because i would love to watch it lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkObPnWClc
That is the first part of Episode 1, which is available on YouTube. You can find the rest by going there. Episode 3 hasn't been added yet. (I have to watch it this way too because we only get 2 channels here! :-D
Hey guys whats going on?
Ah i am so annoyed they dont show this here because i would love to watch it lol
Heidi, I saw the differences, and there are improvements. If you could picture lifting that thing 100 feet up on a crane and dropping it, what do you think the outcome would be. I realize that its "designed" to stay on the ground, but I've seen footage of concrete missing from highways. I also know that there is basically no inner cage structure which is essential for stability in crashes.
I'm not saying I know everything about the engineering of the tiv, but I know the engineering of a 200 mph race car chassis and also know which one of those I'd rather be in if it came down to an impact.
I think that if it got caught up in a semi strong tornado and got airborne, a mop would be required for clean up.
Just my opnion.
Sorry about the last post guys, i dont know what happened.....
Thanks Heidi, will watch that tmorrow :D
Will get my bro to watch it aswell, im trying to get him to come on here, he will do tomorrow lol make sure of it!!
SKgirl,
Though very similar our Discovery Channels are not quite the same. While I was in Montreal last weekend I saw a promo for "an all-new Dirty Jobs". We saw that "new" episode in the USA about 5 months ago. We also have a male announcer for How It's Made. On the other hand you have some uniquely Canadian programs that we never see on Discovery Channels USA.
Strike, I see where your coming from, and I bet it's not the best thing to be in during a tornado. As a matter of fact, it can't be. A vehicle isn't safe. BUT, they are risking their lives all in the name of understanding that geometric figure that destroys houses and lives in a single gust; a tornado. I won't condone them for having a seemingly bad idea, but the way I see it, if it's the only real way, than screw it. As far as living a full life is concerned, it takes a certain amount of balls to do something like that, along with a disregard for fear, and maybe a touch of crazy. But, haven't we all those traits somewhere? ;)
That's the risk they run.... along with me getting into my pickup, and driving to school in the morning. I could get creamed by a semi on the highway. I'm not worried, I know the risk is there.
And we all have opinions, and it's cool that we get the chance to share them. And Strike, you have a cool occupation ;) haha.
Hey guys hows it going today?????
Man i found this website about forecasting weather and i must say its pretty awesome and if started forecasting tottenham its on my website.
Hey Matt! Hows ya ankle?
Not a lot here as usuall, but the temp has taken a sudden peak for this time of year, its in the mid 60's at the moment and 50's at nig, when it is usually around 40's
40F right now here and its going to drop to about 29-30F tonight.
the ankle is fine.
It's good here Matt.... just a little chilly, after all, it's finally starting to act like November.
I know nothing about the structure of race cars, so I cannot make an opinion there. All I will say further about it is, it's crazy, but I'd defenitely do it. Subject killed??
Nicely said AJ! I agree with you on this subject. Strike, not to say you are wrong, or that your opinion isn't valid. I just have different beliefs, as well as think that certain amout of RISK, and yes ..BALLS.. AJ are needed to do this type of task.
All in All I think this is insane, and awesome!
I watch Nascar so i know a little about the structure of race cars. the things is the TIV is not designed to be a race car. Do u think that a stock race car could withstand a hit from a tornado. NASCAR cars a 3400lbs and the TIV is something like 14000 lbs i think i could be wrong.
Anyways im out for dinner all be back later
Well tim has asked me to come on here so i thought i would check it out. There are some great videos on here!! You do a great job out there!
Good glad to hear it Matt
Hey AJ, hows it going?
And yeh i think what they do takes a lot of confidence and that they are doing a great job in the name of science!
Oh, thanks to whoever said to go to youtube.com to watch the stormchasers episodes. Yes, there was 6 parts to the first episode, but it was worth it. Very cool stuff.
And to answer Stikes question about the emergency brake situation. If I had a team togather like they have, and if the task required me to do that, then YES I would do it. ONLY if it meant that the wort case outcome would be worth it. I think that pushing the limits and boundies take a certain breed of person to step up and do what it takes to help make things better!
I love opinions... ;) hehe. It's good here Tim! Like I said, just a little chilly, but nothing a warm dinner can fix.
I'm out for a bit also. Be back later guys!
Lol AJ.....and cool winter not too far awathen??
See ya later!!
Hey Matt J, glad to see ya finally came on lol ;)
Anyway guys im out for the night, and my bro is aswell, he didnt get much time tonight but says he will come back tomorrow....
Have a good one see ya!
Caleb i dont consider storm chasing a compitition and i dont consider any meterologists better than anybody. Yes Reed is very good i will say that but there will always be a busts. i wouldd say Reed has had as many busts as he has seen tornadoes(could be wrong). Josh is trying to collect data and its hard to predict exatly where a tornado is going and to position the TIV and Scout cars in position. He is trying to help out with better warnings and early warnings which in my books is a good thing. To me its the earlier the better.
I guess I should have known it was going to be impossible to make my point.
Will, my best run to date is 8:55 @ 153 Mph and I would never have done that without proper safety equipment.
Matt, I don't watch too much Nascar, but I guess my response would be, put the roll cage, belts, fire suppression system, head and neck restraint, etc etc into a Tiv and I would do it in a second.
AJ, Thanks mang, it is kinda fun to build stuff like that.
my point was the TIV is not designed to race and race cars are not designed to intercept a tornado.
What?
NEVERMIND
hahahaha
Fish aren't designed to walk on the moon either.
hahahaha
But matt josh has a DOW should'nt he know were to go?
Hey guys...I feel sick..I have a headache and I feel like im gunna puke...I'm never eatting 1 chip bag, 5 chocolate bars in 10 minutes again...
In my previous post I wondered how could the TIV withstand a tornado, and well STRIKE, you don;t think it could either.......lol. I want to see the episode where it finally encounters one though.........although my feeling is it better be a very weak twister!
it radar. Reed has radar in his chase vehiecle i think. Its just that Josh has a more advanced radar system that shows more about the storm. What i was getting at is u can tell exactly the a point where a tornado will hit its not that easy.
Kenny, Awesome!
Once I ate 24 mini white powdered donuts in 10 minutes.
Yes I lost the puke part of the bet.
And also Josh has a thrid car that he has to deal with and position the the probes in the right spot. Not taking anything away from Reeds ability but Josh has alot harder of a job. He has to position the TIV and the scout car aloong with the probes in the right place and not kill any team members.
with Reed its just him one car.
Thanks Kim, I was feeling kinda out numbered.
Strike i will say this i dont think that TIV could withstand a hit from an mile wide EF5.
Yeah i ait one double chees burger. 28 peises of chicken 30 fries one sandwich 45 more peices of chicken and one more doubble cheese burger!
Not a problem Strike! I know he says the TIV is built to withstand a tornado low to the ground ECT....but well, if tornado's can throw around big rigs.....why is this any different? I guess I have to see it to believe it. Although I WOULD love to see the footage he captures IF HE does get inside that beast!
Here is info on the TIV from Wikipedia
The Tornado Intercept Vehicle (TIV) is a heavily modified Ford F-450 truck used as a storm chasing platform and built by IMAX director Sean Casey. This heavily armoured vehicle can drive into a relatively weak tornado (F0 to F3) to film it and take measurements. Some people may call it "Dumb and Dumber without the fur", quoting Sean Casey, because of its resemblance to the "sheepdog van" of that movie. The TIV is featured in a series called Storm Chasers which began airing on the Discovery Channel in October 2007.
According to this the TIV can only withstand a hit from a weak tornado.
ok, so Matt, remember when Sean was upset about calling the Greenberg tornado, and Josh wanted to go the other way? IF he would have got that tornado, his TIV would have been history........!
Didnt watch the last show because i only get the canadian discovery channel. But ya the Greensburg tornado was 1.7 miles wide i dont think the TIV could withstand that kind of hit.
Oh, well it was a good thing they were not on that one......as Josh had them on another storm. Things always happen for a reason. It is a good show though. I enjoy it.
I just wait for them to come out on you tube then i watch it.
Yeah that tornado had winds over 205-209 mph when it passed greensburg It had 2 tornadoes at the same time.
(Click my name for proof)
Also That night there was a 15% tornado chance. that supercell lasted for 3 hours. the TIV could not survive 209 MPH winds it destoyed 95% of the town so only 5 buldings were still standing! the last EF or F5 tornado was may 3 1999 that tornado had winds of 318 MPH only one Mph les than an F6! last post for me
I think Casey is probably a good chaser on his own by now, but he needs Dr. Wurman's eyes and direction.
As far as footage from inside a tornado here is
some excellent footage:
samaras probe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKGOjNh_lI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wQNtUymLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHAYYJwbayU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2cFXBWqjKE
Hey Guys!! I'm back from another long day of werk!! hehe!!! How is things??
hey brady hows things going today?????
Those are great Andy Thanks! Hey Brady, whats up!
Although Reed's direct hit, I have seen many times on YOU tube lol. We know he has seen OR tried too, see the inside of a tornado without the help of A TIV!
I'm back..I fell asleep...Woke up and thought it was friday morning already..Just about got ready for school...
Its a Hurricane now. TS Noel is now Hurricane Noel.
Anyways im out for the night peace out people.
Sry I missed ya Matt!! Have a good night!!
Hey Kim!! How are things?? I love Reed's vid from Southern Minny right?? Mankato area?? That's how are hoses are I guess!! I wanna face full of dirt too!! hehe
It would be nice for Georgia if Noel would pay them a visit and then decide to just fall apart, and give them about a week of good soaking rain. But we all know that won't happen ... If anything, it would be more like 3 days of flooding, which wouldn't help the drought situation that much. :(
I'm sure that's how it will play out too!! Us here in Northern Minny can handle that 3day rain like nothing!! hehe The road I took that pic from was normal the next day!! And I think they still have deals on bird seed!! hehe
Did you have a good Halloween Heidi?? anyone else ??
lol, yeh, that video is a good one. A face full of dirt would be good. Halloween was good here, My daugther went out as Spiderlla, I must say I did a great job on her face, she even scared me!
I did Brady! I used my EWS logo to get me 3 bags full of candy! :) One lady spazzed at me, shes like ''wheres your costume?! and I said, Look at my logo, it's pride alright? stfu! and then she started swearing at me and I ran. My friends were staring at her panties.
Episode 3 is now up on youtube
Hah!! That's ill Kenny!! hehe!! Sounds like you guys were more trickin than treatin'!! Oh The good ol days!! I had fun here, I didn't know what to wear so I grabbed the ol pinstripe baseball pants and threw on the Torii Hunter jersey!! Man they need to re sign him!!
There was lots of kids here!! I had to send my mom to get more candy by 7:30!! It wa fun as a kid ( and a teen, shh), but it's fun to hand out candy and have a lil kick with the neighbor kids!! I think everyone of em said thank you!! And not a one of their parents told em too!
I'm glad you had some fun with your kid Kim!! Even though I don't have any children, it's still great to see them have a lil fun!!
One factor that really hurts the TIV operation is that their storm chasing caravan consists of several vehicles that are very difficult to maneuver and probably have to drive well below the speed limit most of the time. They must have had 3-5 more vehicles in addition to the TIV and DOW, which would be almost impossible to coordinate in a tense situation that requires quick decisions and mobility. I can guarantee you that if we were driving the TIV or the DOW along there is no way we would have seen the Ellis Co, OK tornado, and we probably wouldn't have been able to intercept three different storms on May 6 - the last one being the big tornado producer. Also, by unlucky coincidence, they just happened to do the show when luck was not on their side. Although based on their track record the last few years, it's going to be very difficult to obtain funding for future chase seasons. I certainly hope they do get another chance next year, because the video would be insane.
Yeh, it was a blast. The funny thing is.....she is sick, still is.......but of course she is a trooper, had to go get the candy!
Reed, I hope they get to do another season. I am enjoying the show. I just can't wait to see them bag the tube!
I don't really mean to talk bad about them, for one they're pro's and I'm nothing, but I always wondered about the caravans of vehicles when I first watched Twister!! When I chased this summer I was hauling ass everywhere!! That would be impossible in Minny with more than one vehicle following ya!! And that is why I love my 4x4!! I seen that vid of yours Reed when you were stuck!! It came in handy for me more than once already and I was barely off of the road!!
I don't see episode 3 on youtube..Oh well.
Reed, I have a chance of seeing a snowstorm on sunday. If I get anything good, do you want me to email it to you, or put it on my site?
I was trying to calm down for bedtime and then I get the news that Episode 3 is on YouTube! AAAAA!!!! :-D
Brady, you saw our Jack-O-Lantern photo, so you know we had a good time! :D There aren't any children for miles around, so there were no trick-or-treaters.
Reed, too bad your cell phone wasn't rigged with meteorological instruments when it was swallowed by the Ellis Co. storm!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIu-F3m7TCk
That's the link for Ep. 3 - it was a little hard to find, Kenny. :)
Alright!! Heidi, you filled me in completely on one certain matter, now I have to ask!! What's the story with Reed's cell phone?? I've heard a lil about it getting takin away from him by the storm, whats the full story??
If this needs a full novel like the last question I had, It can wait til tomorrow if ya don't wanna write too much!! Or the readers digest version will work!! hehe
Thanks Heidi!! Alright time to watch it! Anyway I'm going to do the snowstorm risk for me tomorrow..Only reason is cause an Alberta clipper's going to come and bring snow+northern wind's will be up to 40 maybe 50 km/h. Blowing snow will be a hazard on sunday.
Hey Brady...Are you talking about May 4? Not nearly as dramatic as it might sound...but when Joel and I switched seats when the tornado was closing in my cell phone fell out onto the road, and I didn't have time to pick it up since Joel was backing up before I even got in the car. I didn't want to get left behind!
I'm planning on getting an anemometer this winter for the car...hopefully then we can feed the live wind-speed to the website. It would have been great to have wind measurements next to some of those tornadoes...and for hurricanes of course!
It wasn't on here at 9 or 10 - Storm Chasers that is.
Hey guys! Anything cool happen while I was getting chewed out by my teachers? lol jk.
Reed, I hope no one tried to call you while your phone was being sucked into the vortex. That would be a hell of an excuse for missing a call.... ;)
Very Cool! If only we got the US version of the discovery channel up here haha.
Sorry for not being on much lately. Classes have been dragging me down haha.
Brady, back in the Ellis OK storm, Reed and Joel switched seats, and Reed dropped his cell out the door. Joel was backing up the Dodge too fast for Reed to get it back, so it became a projectile in the twister. lol
Haha!! One of them things that prabably pissed ya off hard at the time and now that ya look back, made a great story!!!
Hehe!!
Man!! that's what I live for, the chance to see that!!
I honestly can't tell if the May 4th vid is better in my opinion than the Manchester wedge vid!! Or the Manitoba!! That crazy hick in SD, his voice is the EXACT same as my neighbor at my ol cabin!! he was a crazy Nam vet, but he was the nicest, coolest ol guy there was!! Always was laughing, even when he was pissed at my bro and I for shooting guns at 2am!! hehe
lol. Brady, I think we all know someone like that! It's the characters that make things all worthwhile.
Well, I'm out for the nite. Peace!
It's the Nam vets AJ!! They have a big smile locked on their face from the Agent orange or what ever!! They aren't all as friendly as some!! but I respect em all 110%!!
It's the Nam vets AJ!! They have a big smile locked on their face from the Agent orange or what ever!! They aren't all as friendly as some!! but I respect em all 110%!!
WTF??
Ahhh Reed. You should head out and try to catch the Lake effect this weekend. But then again, I'd say it could be a bust..Brady sure has to go though! Anyway! I hope I get a snowstorm this weekend. I'll email whatever I get to ya Reed..Even if it is just me making snow angels...
Not a chance here Kenny!! A 30% chance of snow showers Monday night!! that's it!!
I'm sorry but I would have to agree with Strike that this vehicle couldn't take a very strong tornado. I'm not saying anything about what their intent is or the knowledge and experience of the crew for the show. What I am saying is that I was in Nickerson in May and say them and I would say that vehicle couldn't even take an ef3 maybe not even an ef2....
Aww that sucks Brady. Well just check my site tomorrow when you get home Brady! I'll put my snow forecast in the Winter Storm Forecast Center.
I would also agree with Reed that chasing in a larger group is much more difficult and harder to keep track of everyone in a exciting moment. Then you get other spotters, onlookers, etc. and it can be real challenging to get through traffic to stay on the storm.
Hey Kenny did you find more of the show then Episode 3 part 1?
Yeah I did Monty. Just go to the guy's page. He has all the videos there! I was dissapointed about Josh's choices, He sure sucks real bad at predicting which storm is better. Watch the rest of the episodes if you haven't, and you'll be pretty surprised.
Anyway I have to go, cya guy's later! I hope to bring some nice little snow footage for ya on sunday! G'nite all!
Thank you Heidi for the location of the third episode! I have only watched the 6 parts to the first episode so far, but I am going to start wtaching the 2nd episode right after this post.
I just finished the additional 6 parts to the 2nd episode and it was cool. I want to see them intercept a tornado very bad. I am going to search for the 3rd episode now on youtube
I typed in the exact link that you provided Heidi, but there were NO VIDEOS FOUND! I hope to be able to watch the 3rd episode soon. If anyone else knows the location to the footage of the third episode please let me know. Thanks.. Will
I agree with Strikes comments above...but that is also consistent with their intent not to drive into a strong or potentially strong tornado, and likely at least part of the reason they havent intercepted a good tornado in 2 years.
Weve thought about designing probes ourselves. We may have to get some going for next spring
Seems you are a latenight person like myself Reed. I am not a meteorologist, or a scientist but I do apply common sense. I have only watched the first 2 episodes so far but what I have seen, I would DO THE SAME DAMN THING! I think that risks are needed to push the envelope. There will ALWAYS be people that think people are stupid, or retarded for trying to have a tornado hit them and find out info, and even get film from inside the tornado. Then you will have the others that are Adrenaline junkies and are willing to do crazy shit for the better of something. I'm not saying one is right, and the other is wrong. I am simply stating I am the type of person that pushes the limits, and takes the extreme risks!
Seriously Reed, I know alot of people I have showed your website stock footage, and chase logs. Their exact words were ..THEY ARE CRAZY.. So it comes down to calculated risks. I'm sure you feel that with your education and background in this field, you are able to control some aspects of a chase, but can you honestly say that there is NO RISK? You make that decision, along with your team right? All I am saying is that these people are trained, educated, and also take precausins as well right? Then they maek calculated risks to try and accomplish their gaols...FOR WHATEVER THE REASON..
I am in NOWAY saying that it is safe, or that it is smart. I am saying I think it is a calculated risk that I think is cool to watch, and if I could do it I would.